I limiti del numero fisso Vodafone Casa

di alex il 24 novembre 2006

Questa volta Telecom dice parole sacrosante, nell’accusare Vodafone di poca trasparenza nella pubblicità del servizio numero fisso.

Vodafone fa credere che il servizio Vodafone Casa dotato di numero di rete fissa sia un analogo della rete fissa Pstn. Ma così non è. Ci sono limiti: ne ho scritto, per primo, su Nova24. A volte non vorrei avere questi primati, perché mi rendo conto che le grandi aziende italiane hitech non sono abituate a una stampa critica e quindi contro i pochi che parlano chiaro(soprattutto se non sono grandi giornalisti in redazione) poi fanno muro

Telecom scrive

- Non esiste infatti alcun collegamento fisico – come il doppino telefonico – dedicato esclusivamente alla fornitura del servizio;
- il servizio viene fornito invece utilizzando le frequenze radio della rete mobile che non essendo assegnabile in una logica dedicata ad uso esclusivo di ciascun cliente comporta un abbassamento dei livelli di qualità e disponibilità del servizio stesso”.

Il cliente dovrebbe quindi essere correttamente informato che aderendo al servizio in questione verrebbe a perdere tutta una serie di prestazioni/tutele di cui poteva fruire tramite il servizio telefonico su rete fissa, ed in particolare:
- possibilità di effettuare chiamate dal proprio numero fisso;
- possibilità di accedere in maniera ininterrotta ai servizi d’emergenza;
- possibilità di essere localizzato in caso di chiamate d’emergenza;
- possibilità di utilizzare il numero fisso per servizi dati e fax”.

Certo, ciò non implica che- come vorrebbe Telecom- a VOdafone sia proibito lanciare il servizio. Solo, un po’ più di trasparenza non guasterebbe, almeno sul sito.

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Davz novembre 24, 2006 alle 3:33

vero, poi però telecom mi sembra faccia la pubblicità dell’offerta “zero-zero” con la signora che dice: “…chiamiamo i fissi ed i cellulari a costo 0″ (o una roba del genere); la scritta sotto, che sparisce rapidamente, credo puntualizzi (“credo” perchè è sparita subito e non sono riuscito a leggerla) che i limiti sono 1000 minuti al mese per i fissi e 100 per i cellulari, e che l’offerta vale solo su cellulari tim… insomma sono un po’ tutti “opachi”: non mi vengano a dire che mettere una scrittina in basso a caratteri minuscoli su una tv bassa definizione per pochi istanti sia informare correttamente il cliente delle condizioni!

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aghost novembre 24, 2006 alle 9:07

quali sarebbero i “servizi di emergenza”? Anche il cello può essere localizzato, sia pure con meno precisione del fisso. I fax possono essere spediti anche col cello, sia pure a costi molto superiori.

L’unica accusa fondata mi pare l’impossibilità di conoscere l’estensione di questa fantomatica “home area” e di conseguenza i costi.

Telecom che accusa Vodafone di poca trasparenza però è come il bue che da del cornuto all’asino :)

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Stefano Quintarelli novembre 24, 2006 alle 9:28

lo storpio e il cieco..

e gli antifurti di casa ?

riguardo a zero/zero, io ho freezato l’immagine per commentarlo con mia moglie (grande il PVR, consiglio uno nuovo per DTT che sta per lanciare ADB, credo a 250 Eur)..

e’ fatto veramente bene perche’ quando Rubini dice “cosi’ poco ?” sotto c’e’ scritto 0 euro e la scena e’ fissa, dando modo di leggere sotto.

poi la scena cambia ripetutamente distraendo l’attenzione dalle scritte sotto in cui si dice dello scatto alla risposta che, se non ricordo male, nella pubblicità dice che puo’ arrivare a 47centesimi mentre sul sito dice che puo’ arrivare a 90centesimi!!!!! (il servizio, poi, costa 10 euro al mese, ma davanti a 90 centesimi di costo per setup di chiamata verso il mobile, 10 euro sono regalati…)

http://www.187.it/cgi-bin/di_187/di/187/di3/demand/invalidSession.do?BV_UseBVCookie=no&fromSessionTimeOut=1&failedPage=%2fdi3%2fdemand%2fextProductView.do&queryString=productOid%3d536912427%26Failed_Reason%3dNo%2bBVCookie%2bpresent%2bto%2bretrieve%2bthe%2bsession.%26com.broadvision.session.new%3dYes%26Failed_Page%3d%252fdi%252f187%252fdi3%252fdemand%252fextProductView.do

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l0ne novembre 24, 2006 alle 10:56

Tra l’altro i seguenti:
– che differenza c’è tra l’effettuare chiamate da numero fisso o da numero mobile?
– la rete Vodafone consente l’uso della rete GSM per effettuare (e ricevere?) chiamate dati e fax.
– i servizi di emergenza non sono in grado di localizzare un telefonino?!?!?

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Pier Luigi Tolardo novembre 25, 2006 alle 14:55

Per dati e fax sono d’accordo ma per i servizi di emergenza ho i miei dubbi, non dovrebbero esserci differenze.
E’ certo che non corrisponde fisicamente ad un numero fisso, se lo fosse probabilmente il ricorso di Telecom Italia che contesta a Vodafone di operare come fisso avrebbe molte possibilità di spuntarla perché praticamente cadrebbe, date le dimensioni di Vodafone, la distinzione tra operatori dominanti nel fisso e nel mobile e, in pratica, molti obblighi e limiti posti in capo a Telecom Italia per par condicio dovrebbero essere rimossi o estesi a Vodafone.
Non si tratta di numeri fissi a tutti gli effetti, quelli di Vodafone lo dichiareranno in tutte le sedi se non vogliono essere bloccati da Telecom Italia ma, allora, Telecom Italia li obbligherà a dichiararlo a chiare lettere nella pubblicità.

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Dimitri novembre 29, 2006 alle 14:22

(ANSA) -ROMA, 29 NOV- Il Tribunale ordinario di Roma blocca l’offerta ‘Vodafone Casa Numero Fisso’, che consente di utilizzare il numero fisso anche sul cellulare. Bloccata anche la relativa pubblicita’. Il Tribunale, accogliendo un ricorso di Telecom Italia, ‘inibisce -si legge nella sentenza- a Vodafone la commercializzazione e prevendita del servizio, nella parte in cui viene offerta anche la portabilita’ del numero dalla rete fissa Telecom sulla rete mobile Vodafone, in quanto costituente illecito concorrenziale’.
Dimitri

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g t dicembre 1, 2006 alle 13:42

e’ una truffa come ogni cosa che promette di abolire il canone.

Infatti viene abolito il canone e viene introdotto il “contributo mensile”…

2 nomi per la stessa tariffa!

E poi tutte le pubblicità dei cellulari sono ingannevoli ma nessuno se ne accorge.
Perché?
Perché ne hanno subita pronta un’altra per rimpiazzare la precedente!

Non mi credete?
Date un’occhiata alle sentenze del comitato di controllo dell’istituto di autodisciplina pubblicitaria

http://www.iap.it/it/indingiu.htm

la maggior parte degli spot sospesi riguarda la telefonia.

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MASSIMO dicembre 14, 2006 alle 16:04

COME TUTTI I PAESI TECNOLOGICAMENTE AVANZATI, CI “ATTACCHIAMO” SEMPRE AL DISCORSO DEGLI AMMENICCOLI PROMOZIONALI SULLA PARTENZA COMMERCIALE DI SERVIZI DAVVERO EVOLUTI I QUALI PORTEREBBERO IL PAESE E IL VECCHIO “CARO” MONOPOLISTA SIP\TELECOM ITALIA,O COME LO DESIDERATE ORA CHIAMARE,A CROLLARE DI FRONTE AD UNA COMUNQUE LEGITTIMITA’ CHE FA’ PAURA!

VODAFONE ACQUISTO’(A CARO PREZZO) ARCHI DI NUMERAZIONI GEOGRAFICHE CON PREFISSI GEOGRAFICI NEL LONTANO 1999, E INDIPENDENTEMENTE DAL TIPO DI INTERCONNESSIONE SE VIA “RADIO” TERRESTRE,OPPURE VIA CAVO TERRESTRE!

QUESTO ERA QUANTO STABILITO DAI DOCUMENTI AUTORITHY ALL’EPOCA, E FIN POCHI GIORNI FA’ POCO PRIMA DEL LANCIO DEL SERVIZIO!

CI SI STA’ ATTACCANDO A TUTTO, MA COSI’ CI FAREMO DEL BENE TECNOLOGICAMENTE PARLANDO?

ASPETTO RISPOSTE!!!! GRAZIE!

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pandoro dicembre 26, 2006 alle 17:19

odio telecom…

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Alazar gennaio 2, 2007 alle 14:41

La vicenda Telecom/Vodafone si risolverà molto presto con la logica vittoria di quest’ultima. Forse non è chiaro che Telecom ha il monopolio delle comunicazioni fisse e l’autority sulla concorrenza non può che dar ragione a chiunque proponga un’alternativa. Mi meraviglio dell’intestatario di questo sito che si spaccia per GURU della tecnologia dove nel 2006 (ora 2007) tutto viaggia indistintamente via cavo o etere e quello che elenca è pura ignoranza. I costi possono essere differenti (in su o in giù) o possono rimanere uguali sia nell’una o nell’altra tecnologia, dipende dal gestore. Di pubblicità ingannevole ne siamo pieni ma questo non toglie ne il coraggio ne la serietà del servizio proposto da Vodafone. Ora era che qualcuno proponesse questo e logicamente si va a scontrare con interessi mastodontici di pochi (e potenti). Ma avete mai guardato la bolletta del telefono di casa? quanto vi costa il solo fatto di possederlo? E poi se dovete trasferirlo…..
Se non vi fossero le alternative sul cellulare (introdotte in Italia da Vodafone nel 95 e seguite da altri) ora sareste in giro ancora con gli ETACS, un canone di 80.000 lire al mese e telefonate a 1.000 lire al minuto. Quello che succede con il telefono fisso in pratica. Ben venga chi propone alternative.

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Anonimo marzo 2, 2007 alle 13:03

Io ho Vodafono Casa!
è vero che c’è un canone mensile ma è di 20 euro ogni due mesi mentre quello telecom è intorno alle 40 euro al Bimestre!!
Si risparmia molto ve lo garantisco!!!

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pier aprile 26, 2007 alle 16:16

Io ho un cellulare vodafone. Mi sono trasferito, ora dove abito il segnale vodafone e` debole. Spesso le comunicazioni cadono. Se dovessi mai chiamare il 118, con il mio cellulare…

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M. Cherri maggio 9, 2007 alle 8:45

La direttiva Europea 2002/22/CE (art.26), ripreso dal DL 259/2003 (art.76), impone la localizzazione sia da telefono fisso che da telefono mobile, il fatto che in Italia non siano disponibili (entrambe perchè il 90% delle attuali centrali operative 112, 113, 115, 118 non localizza alcuna chiamata) è stato formalmente condannato dalla UE, tanto che ora l’Italia ha un procedimento di fronte alla Corte di Giustizia Europea.
Inoltre il segnale che cade effettuando una chiamata di emergenza è un problema solo italiano, il numero di emergenza corretto da chiamare è il 112 per tutte le emergenze, nel caso il vostro operatore non sia in grado di assicurare il segnale, la chiamata va in roaming automatico con un altro operatore italiano senza alcuna limitazione. I Carabinieri sono tenuti obbligatoriamente a trasferire la chiamata al servizio di emergenza richiesto! Tutte le chiamate sono di norma registrate e, in caso di controversie, richiedibili tramite esposto alla magistratura. Saluti.

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Sandrino luglio 26, 2007 alle 20:37

ciao a tutti, concordo pienamente con le parole espresse da massimo, e aggiungo di far memoria e tornare indietro di circa 13 anni, quando sul mercato della telefonia mobile esisteva soltanto la vecchia sip, poi telecom italia mobile per i cellulari, vi dicono niente 200 lire di scatto alla risposta e 2000 lire al minuto????e come pensate che siamo riusciti oggi ad arrivare a poter chiamare tutti anche a 12 cent senza scatto, grazie al monopolio????vorrei aggiungere un’altra evidente disfatta di noi italiani rispetto a tutti gli europei, vodafone il servizio vodafone casa consumer e inoffice corporate gia lo ha ha portato in diversi paesi, e perche noi no???forse abbiamo rotto vodafone ha rotto le scatole a qualcuno di così grande e tutelato un pò da tutti????

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sacastanza ottobre 9, 2007 alle 11:33

ma con vodafone casa posso navigare? e se si, al mio router/modem viene assegnato un indirizzo IP pubblico?
se qualcuno ha delle info, grazie.
cià
sacastanza

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geko ottobre 25, 2007 alle 15:27

@sacastanza: nulla di tutto ciò

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Purp ottobre 29, 2007 alle 16:22

ragazzi è da poco cambiato tutto!!!
la vodafone ha appena lanciato tre nuovi scenari di vodafonecasa che vanno a sostituire quelli di cui si parla in questa discussione…
si chiamano Vodafone CasaLibera, Vodafone TuttoLibero e Vodafone CasaSenzaLimiti…

meglio di me però forse spiega tutto meglio qui:
http://www.areaprivati.190.it/190/trilogy/jsp/programView.do?tk=9616%2Cc&channelId=-8665&programId=10504&ty_key=pri_vodafone_casa&pageTypeId=9607&ty_skip_md=true

B!

: )

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Gilda dicembre 12, 2007 alle 19:13

buonasera, allora attivare vodafone casa è solo un vantaggio oggi…..forse l’anno scorso c’erano i problemi di cui sopra…ma si sono adeguati….si può parlare a zero con tutti i numeri fissi….navigare in internet semplicemente e fare tutto quello che si fa con un numero fisso normale in più la possibilità di portarlo con te……ottimo direi….per info chiedi pure…:)

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Anonimo gennaio 23, 2008 alle 1:01

Per le chiamate di emergenza basta impostare in uscita sempre il numero fisso di Vodafone Casa, digitando *103*1#

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MIMMO febbraio 15, 2008 alle 15:18

SE CHIAMO UN NUMERO VODAFONE CASA DA CASA PAGO QUANTO UN CELLULARE O QUANTO UN’URBANA??????????

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Pino aprile 1, 2008 alle 17:06

Se chiamo da un telefono fisso su vodafone casa, che tariffa vado a pagare?
Oppure c’è il rischio che si paghi la tariffa per i cellulari?

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Xantro aprile 2, 2008 alle 21:10

Grazie dei chiarimenti, mi sei stato molto utile per scegliere.

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daniele maggio 9, 2008 alle 16:00

Mi pare strano che nessuno abbia centrato Il vero business di vodafone: quando tu chiami da rete fissa un nunero di vodafone casa tu credi di pagare la tariffa che hai chiamando un fisso e invece chiami un cellulare con la relativa tariffa pagata a vodafone medesima

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stefano luglio 16, 2011 alle 14:10

non è assolutamente vero!! Io sul mio cellulare ho un numero fisso (non c’entra vodafone), se tu mi chiami da casa, paghi la tariffa urbana, non c’entra nulla che io quel numero lo porto sul cellulare. Mai sentito parlare di VOIP?

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starni maggio 12, 2008 alle 9:28

“Mi pare strano che nessuno abbia centrato Il vero business di vodafone: quando tu chiami da rete fissa un nunero di vodafone casa tu credi di pagare la tariffa che hai chiamando un fisso e invece chiami un cellulare con la relativa tariffa pagata a vodafone medesima”

non e’ molto chiaro cmq se tu chiami da rete fissa un numero vodafone fisso paghi come da tuo operatore fisso come se fosse un vero e proprio numero fisso…
scusate le ripetizioni ma sono volute…

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Cheope giugno 17, 2008 alle 0:32

Quoto daniele.
Interessante pagare tanto per dei servizi apparentemente PTSN quando di questa vecchia e costosa rete ormai c’è rimasto solo l’ultimo miglio.
Pensate davvero che quando chiamate un fisso da un numero fisso la comunicazione sia tutta su rete analogica? Suvvia, siamo seri. Noi la paghiamo come tale dall’inizio alla fine, ma in realtà in mezzo ci sono gateway da e per le reti GSM (meno costose per i carrier), e scommetto che ci infilano anche un po’ di VOIP nel percorso, giusto per far risparmiare loro ancora un po’ e fregare noi utenti doppiamente…
Ricordo un servizio andato in onda su Report qualche mese fa che parlava proprio di questa cosa.
Morale della favola? Vodafone fa bene a tener viva la concorrenza proponendo dei servizi innovativi (in modo più o meno ingannevole lo decide il Garante)… Ma nessuno fa niente per niente: la fregatura è sempre lì dietro l’angolo.
Quindi occhi aperti, orecchie dritte e chiappe strette!

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stefano luglio 16, 2011 alle 14:13

Anche la telecom ci infila qualche voip, ma a me che me frega scusa? loro risparmiano, risparmiamo anche noi!! Non capisco dove stà la fregatura?

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KuroKo giugno 23, 2008 alle 12:55

“possibilità di effettuare chiamate dal proprio numero fisso”

Scusate, ma questo e’ incorretto, il numero fisso rimane lo stesso ed e’ possibile effettuare chiamate, quanto alla trasparenza, sono perfettamente d’accordo, lavoro in Vodafone da un mesetto e mi hanno proprio formato in tal senso… massima trasparenza sui punti enunciati nel vostro post ed in altri.
Non sono qui a scriverlo perche’ qualcuno me lo ha chiesto, ma perche’ e’ uno stress trattare ogni giorno con clienti che, tenendosi informati tramite internet, credono a priori che io sia li per tirare loro una sola

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ANTONIO giugno 24, 2008 alle 16:03

SONO UN CLIENTE “TIM CASA” CHE E’ STATO PRATICAMENTE “TRUFFATO” DA TIM.

IN BUONA SOSTANZA DA DICEMBRE 2007 A GIUGNO 2008 HO SEMPRE PAGATO IL CANONE MENSILE FISSO SENZA AVERE LA POSSIBILITA’ DI USUFRUIRE DI UN SERVIZIO ININTERROTTO. DOPO UNA SERIE INTERMINABILE DI RECLAMI AL 119, SOLO A MARZO MI E’ STATO FINALMENTE ATTIVATO IL NUMERO FISSO SU CELLULARE (CHE HO DOVUTO COMPRARE APPOSITAMENTE CON BEN SPECIFICHE CARATTERISTICHE). DA MARZO AD OGGI O LA LINEA NON ERA DISPONIBILE (QUINDI CHI MI CHIAMAVA TROVAVA LA SEGRETERIA TELEFONICA) O IO NON RIUSCIVO A TELEFONARE. NATURALMENTE E “COMBINAZIONE” PERLOPIU’ QUESTO E’ ACCADUTO NEI FINE SETTIMANA QUANDO IO UTILIZZAVO MAGGIORMENTE IL TELEFONO.

NON CADETE NELLA TRAPPOLA “TIM CASA”, ANCHE SE DIFATTO TIM STA RITIRANDO QUESTA OFFERTA COSTRINGENDO GLI UTENTI COME ME A DISDIRE VOLONTARIAMENTE IL CONTRATTO SENZA NEMMENO UN RIMBORSO PER I DANNI CHE MI SONO STATI ARRECATI.

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Antonio ottobre 24, 2008 alle 14:41

ho da poco ottenuto il passaggio a vodafone casa e aimè non posso più ricevere ed inviare fax e siccome no ero stato avvisato di questo come posso risolvere il problema? Tenuto conto che tutti i miei clienti mi contattano via fax al vecchio nr. telecom come devo comportarmi?. Posso secondo voi ritornare in telecom? e a quale prezzo ?

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Vincenzo novembre 7, 2008 alle 23:25

Antonio ti conviene utilizzare un wefax costi ridotti e grande duttilità

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tiziano novembre 13, 2008 alle 1:00

scusate, volevo solo sapere se con vodafon casa è possibile navigare e scaricare di tutto senza avere dei vincoli come ad esempio scaricare film ,musica ecc.. ecc.. con telecom è possibile,e con vodafon?non è che poi ti chiudono determinate cnnessioni?

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Neia luglio 26, 2015 alle 20:36

(DoT) has pushed the 3G actoiun by two weeks to January 15. Then some days later, we heard about the telecom ministry playing hardball by keeping the actoiun as per previous

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Alicia Oropollo novembre 19, 2008 alle 17:00

———- Messaggio inoltrato ———-
Da: Alicia Oropollo
Date: 17 novembre 2008 13.48
Oggetto: pratica 50052507
A: redazione@vodafonelab.it, info@vodafonelab.it

Dal momento che non so più a chi rivolgermi per risolvere il mio problema, tento anche questa via… Ho parlato svariate volte con il vostro numero verde 800121800, e con il 190, ma senza risultati.

Ecco la mia odissea:

Un bel giorno, ai primi di ottobre 2008, vengo contattata dal un vostro addetto commerciale che mi offre il vostro nuovo prodotto Vodafone casa, telefono+internet. Ci sentiamo un paio di volte perché voglio informarmi con calma sul prodotto. Mi ritelefona, come da accordi, il vostro addetto commerciale Fulvio e facciamo il pre-contratto telefonico. Il signore in questione però mi ASSICURA che nulla procederà prima che io riceva il contratto CARTACEO a casa, da firmare e restituire. Mi ha anche detto che avrei ricevuto, al termine della nostra telefonata, conferma via sms o email del precontratto. Mai ricevuto nessuna conferma. Abbiamo anche concordato l’indirizzo di consegna della Vodafone Station, diverso dal mio indirizzo di casa. Mai ricevuta la Station.

L’unica cosa che la Vodafone si è premurata di fare è far disattivare la mia connessione internet con Alice, il giorno 15/10/08 e dal quel giorno non ho più la connessione. Ecco, da allora, quanto è accaduto.

16/10/08 – Chiamo la Telecom per sapere come mai non riesco a collegarmi da 2 giorni. Mi informano che la Vodafone ha chiesta il distacco della mia connessione internet.

16/10/08 – Chiamo la Vodafone (riuscire a parlare con le persone giuste, in se, è stata un’odissea a parte. Avrò fatto almeno 8 telefonate e ascoltato tutti i dischi che avete mai registrato). Decido subito di annullare la richiesta di passaggio da Telecom a voi, già avendo capito l’antifona. Ho quindi chiesto la sospensione del trasferimento, che l’operatore mi conferma EFFETTIVA dalla data della mia telefonata. Invio anche la raccomandata a/r, come richiesto. Nulla mi viene detto sui tempi di “restituzione” della mia linea internet.

16/10/08 – Richiamo la Telecom pregandoli di riconnettermi e sono loro a spiegarmi che ci vorranno 30 giorni perché tanti se ne prende la Vodafone per liberarmi la linea. E’ sempre la Telecom che, gentilmente, mi fornisce il code di migrazione che la Vodafone non mi ha mai fornito.

A questo punto, spero che la cosa si risolva prima dei 30 gg. “minacciati”…

06/11/08 – Passati ormai 20 giorni, contatto il numero 800121800 per sapere a che punto è la mia pratica e, dopo molte insistenze, l’operatore mi dice che vede nella mia scheda che la mia linea mi verrà restituita/liberata il 08/11.

09/11 – La linea è ancora occupata dalla Vodafone, come mi conferma il numero verde 800578722 della Telecom Contatto sempre il vostro numero verde 800121800, ormai piuttosto arrabbiata e, sempre con molta insistenza da parte mia, il vostro operatore Giuliano mi mette in attesa per ca. 10 minuti e poi mi dice di aver parlato con un responsabile. Mi informa che effettivamente il responsabile ritiene ci sia stato un increscioso disguido nel mio caso e che “garantisce” che la mia linea sarà liberata il 10/11.

11/11, ore 08:30 – La linea è ancora occupata dalla Vodafone, come mi conferma il n. verde 800578722. Richiamo il vostro numero verde, ormai molto più che arrabbiata.

Inizialmente, la signorina insiste che dovrò attendere 30 gg. per la liberazione dalla linea DALLA DATA DI RICEVIMENTO DELLA RACCOMANDATA. ovvero il 22/10/08! Dopo molte insistenze e proteste da parte mia, mi mette in attesa e poi mi dice di aver parlato con un vostro responsabile. Mi conferma che faranno di tutto per risolvere il mio problema il più rapidamente possibile.

11/11, ore 17:03 -

Ricevo un SMS sul cellulare con il messaggio “Gentile Cliente, la gestione della sua segnalazione n. 707091928 è in corso. Riceverà un nostro contatto non appena ultimata”. Alle 17:30 mi chiama una vostra responsabile, senza specificare il nome, scusandosi per i disguidi subiti e comunicandomo che LA LINEA E’ LIBERA. Mi da anche un numero di pratica: 707091928. La ringrazio profusamente per l’interessamento molto felice di riavvere la linea libera e di poter tornare finalmente in connessione con il mio operatore precedente.
12/11, ore 08:00 – La linea è ancora occupata dalla Vodafone, come mi conferma il solito n. verde 800578722. Chiamo di nuovo l’800121800 e questa volta mi infomano che dovrò attendere 30 gg. dalla data di ricevimento della raccomandata. Inoltre, mi viene detto che non c’è alcuna traccia nella mia scheda nè del numero di pratica comunicato l’11/11 e neppure della telefonata ricevuta il pomeriggio precedente dalla vostra misteriosa responsabile. In più, la signorina mi dice che in realtà loro non si occupano affatto di questi casi e di chiamare il 190.

12/11, ore 08:15 – Chiamo il 190 e trovo una persona molto maleducata, che mi chiama “arrogante” (un vero paradosso considerando che ancora non ho capito A CHE TITOLO la Vodafone da un mese mi priva di un servizio senza il mio consenso – altro che arroganza…) e che “non capisco” ciò che mi sta dicendo, ovvero “che dovrò attendere 30 gg. dalla data di ricevimento della raccomandata e SOLO DA QUELLA DATA PARTIRA’ LA PRATICA DI LIBERAZIONE DELLA LINEA”!!

14/11 – Chiamo di nuovo il numero 800121800 e questa volta, sempre dietro mia insistenza di una verifica più approfondita, che la linea è stata liberata l’11/11 ma che in effetti risulta ancora occupata dalla Vodafone. L’operatrice mi mette in attesa e poi mi dice di aver parlato con un tecnico il quale le conferma che la mia linea non è libera, che non sa spiegarsi come mai e che non siete in grado di risolvere il problema. La signorina mi dice che la Vodafone ha fatto il possible ma di fatto, la linea non si libera e che loro non sanno più cosa fare e quindi la pratica viene chiusa. La mia linea ADSL, da me pagata, non potrà essere ripristinata e questo è quanto.

La Telecom mi dice che l’unico modo per riavere la connessione ADSL è disdire il mio vecchio numero di telefono e fare richiesta di una nuova linea, tutto a mie spese secondo le tariffe in vigore.

Sono davvero delusa dal comportamente di un’azienda di cui, fino a questo incubo, decantavo a tutti per l’ottimo servizio di cellulare e un Customer Care eccezionale.

Ho già contattato Altroconsumo, al quale ho delegato di agire per mio conto nei confronti della Vodafone, e la Polizia Postale al quale sporgerà quanto prima denuncia formale.

Ho intenzione di pubblicare copie di questa mia su tutti i blog su internet (e sono davvero tanti) che parlano del disastro Vodafone casa.

Cordiali saluti,

Alicia Oropollo.

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Enrico novembre 27, 2008 alle 15:21

Grazie Alicia,
Mi confermi proprio che non c’è da fidarsi di nessuno in tema di telefonia. Anche io ho ricevuto una visita dedicata da parte di un operatore Vodafone… e stavo per aderire a Vodafone Casa. Però poi mi ha insospettito il fatto che dal giorno successivo, di fronte ad alcune mie verifiche e domande, lo stesso operatore non si è più rifatto sentire… un po’ come se vai da un negoziante che ti assicura assistenza personale su un prodotto e poi… sparisce!
Che mondo!

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giuliano dicembre 26, 2008 alle 0:40

non essemdo molto esperto in materia, non ci capisco più niente!
Qualcuno mi può consigliare con quale società è meglio attivare una linea per navigare in internet e telefonare da casa ?
Grazie.

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FRANCESCO G gennaio 25, 2009 alle 23:07

.FATTO DISDETTA OTTOBRE 08 PER TELEFONO (COSI MI A DETTO DI FARE L’OPERATORE),DDOPO POCO TEMPO RICEVO UN SMS DI CONFERMA DISDETTA. NON CI PENSO PIU .OH FATTO CONTRATTO CON OPERATORE CONNEX IL NUOVO TELEFONO . A FINE DICEMBRE MI ARRIVA UNA TELEFONATA SU CELLULARE TELEFONO FISSO ,MA’io oh dato disdetta ?DOPO TANTI OPERATORI CHE MI DICEVANO DI FARE COSI E COSI , OH FATTO DI MIA INIZIATIVA RACCOMANDATA A VODAFON A CHIERI (to) intanto mi anno fregato 3e. al mese fino a gennaio QUESTA E TRUFFA BELLA E BUONA E NON SONO RIUSCITO A PARLARE CON NESSUNO.TRUFFATRUFFA,,..FRANCESCO

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Gavinkiavic gennaio 26, 2009 alle 16:14

francesco complimenti per l’italiano

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Giada febbraio 2, 2009 alle 14:01

credo che cm in tute le cose c’è a chi va bene a chi va male. a me è andata bene, premetto che non ero sicura di volerlo fare, ma sapete cosa mi ha convinto?? un’agenzia di di Bolzano che non solo ti fornisce di tutta la documentazione necessaria ma ti segue passo per passo . confermo che parlare con un operatore del 190 è qualcosa di impossibile però lorò ci hanno lasciato un numero di rete fissa al quale possiamo rivolgerci per qualsiasi cosa e fin’ora si sono dimostrati più che efficenti. con quello che si legge oggi sui gionali ( studentesse che si spoglia in internet per pagarsi gli studi ecc ecc) credo che il lavoro in callcenter sia un lavoro dignitoso finquando non si trascende nella meschinità (truffare) , ribadisco che nella vita una cosa può andarebene come andare male, non perchè in alcuni callcenter gli operatori lavorano male significa che tutti lavorano male. io personalmente sono stata contattata da uno di essi per farmi venire un agente in casa che ad oggi ( passati 4 mesi dall’attivazione ) si dimostra sempre disponibile e attento alle mie esigenze e quelle di altre persone che, come ma, hanno l’intelligenza di fidarsi con criterio delle persone. Mia nipote voleva usufruire del servizio vofafone ma sempre questa agernzia gliel’ha sconsigliato perchè lei scarica film e musica, alchè le hanno consigliato fastweb ( compagnia con la quale io ho avuto un sacco di problemi) lei titubante ha accettato, con la consapevolezza di avere questa struttura bolzanina alle spalle pronta ad aiutarla per qualsiasi evenienza.

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Gianluca febbraio 6, 2009 alle 12:37

ragazzi ho richiesto una nuova linea vodafone casa e poi ho letto il blog… che faccio?
cioè alla resa dei conti se devo fare un nuovo contratto, meglio telecom o vodafone?
grazie a presto
Gianluca

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Nelson febbraio 12, 2009 alle 23:58

Dipende dalle tue esigenze.
Attualmente ogni operatore offre numerose opzioni vantaggiose.
Se vuoi posso offrirti una consulenza personalizzata (e gratuita).
Lavoro come consulente in telecomunicazioni nella Regione Lombardia.
Il mio numero di telefono è 3345652905.
Nelson

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fg febbraio 13, 2009 alle 20:48

è vero vodafon offre un servizio telefonico fisso con qualità molto limitate sia in entrata dati che in qualità audio in trasmissione vocale, perchè ho potuto accetare a mie spese che il sevizio di telefonia fissa è derivato dalla linea dati (ADSL) che viene comunque gestita da telecom con i suoi impianti e cavi. Il sistema in pratica funziona così: Utente telecom, tu vuoi tradirmi? allora io ti sopprimo la linea telefonica che il nuovo gestore, millantando le sue potenzialità, provvede a sopperire con una linea dati adattata per trasmissione vocale. E’ inutile dire che se un utente ha un sistema interno di telefonia distribuito nei vani, esso non funzionerà più se non si istalla il ruter sulla linea primaria. la cosa più spiacevole è che il malcapitato volesse attivare la clausola di recesso e tornare a Telecom dovrà subire interminabili disservizi per poter recuperare il numero di telefono. è più facile chiedere un nuovo allaccio con un nuovo numero(a pagamento però!). a proposito sapete come si fa ad ottenere un numero telecon senza canone? con lostesso criterio di Vodafon: la linea vocale sarà derivata dalla linea dati ovvero funzionerà solo sel il ruter di alice rimane acceso ma se dovesse mancare orrente….Tutti muti! è proprio il caso di dire: dalla padella nella brace! ci rimetteremo sempre noi. ma il Garante del consumatore non si è mai accorto di nulla? Telecom – Vodafon 1a1.

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roberto marzo 11, 2009 alle 11:33

salve,questa mattina ho ricevuto una chiamata da un’operatrice vodafone la quale mi ha proposto il servizio vosafone casa, internet illimitato e tel fisso tutto a 29Euro al mese senza canone telecom,mi ha anche detto che nn rimarrei nemeno un giorno senza adsl e che verrebbe un tecnico a casa mia per configurare modem ecc, le ho detto di richiamare tra 15 giorni che avrei preso informazioni ma ora leggendo le varie avventure/disavventure sono molto titubante cosa consigliate? certo l’offerta è alletante ma…..grazie delle vostre risposte

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stefan marzo 19, 2009 alle 15:22

viva vodafone casa……………..
tele 2 BASTA BASTA BASTA

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stefan marzo 19, 2009 alle 15:29

Ho finito di passare un anno con tele2.
E’ stato terribile, il telefono non funzionava mai
ho fatto sei mesi che non potevo scaricare niente,tutto mi era bloccato
la velocità era sempre sotto il mega la conessione saltava in continuazione.
Ora sto per passare a vodafone casa SPERIAMO BENE.

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Milvia marzo 22, 2009 alle 17:35

Beh, Auguri caro stefan!!
Grazie a Vodafone casa, noi stiamo aspettando da 6 mesi l’attivazione dell’ADSL! E ancora a oggi nulla….
un vero disastro e ce ne siamo pentiti tantissimo!
Ma come mai nessuno fa niente? Su internet gli utenti incasinati sono molti, non capisco come mai la cosa non sia venuta fuori con maggior risalto!
C’e’ qualche forum dove si parla di queste disgrazie?
Grazie a tutti

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Giuseppe aprile 4, 2009 alle 7:34

Sono cliente Vodafone con tutti i cellulari di famiglia e aziendali, in più uso Vodafone Key dal mese di agosto del 2008, onestamente devo dire che il servizio è accettabile.Come rete fissa usavo Telecom con un contratto ISDN con doppio numero per gestire il Fax in automatico e tenevo un indirizzo di posta elettreonica tin.it. Alla fine di febbraio fui contattato dalla Vodafone, che mi offriva Vodafone casa senza limiti al costo di € 15.00 al mese con il mio numero Telecom e lapossibilità di collegare la mia linea interna alla basetta che mi davano in modo da gestire le telefonate in tutte le camere e il Fax.
A queste condizioni accettai l’offerta.
Venne a casa all’inizio di marzo un addetto Vodafone per stipulare il contratto, chiesi prima di firmare la se era possibile un numero aggiuntivo per il Fax, mi fu detto che la cosa non si poteva fare e che potevo gestire il fax normalmente sull’unico numero smistando la chiamata, oppure con un programmino sul PC.
Mi fu detto che dopo una diecina di giorni mi sarebbe arrivata una comunicazione per rtirare la basetta a cnt Vodafone iù vicino, nel contempo potevo usare ancora il vecho numero Telecom.
Firmai il contratto pensando di aver fatto cosa giusta e utile.
dopo una diecina di giorni mi accorgo che non riesco più a scaricare la posta elettronica ma la posso leggere solo tramite Virgilio.
Chiamo al 190 dopo un poia di contatti senza spiegazioni, o spiegazioni confuse, si fanno dare il mio numero di cellulare per farmi contattare da un tecnico capace; ancora sto aspettando.
Verso la terza decade di marzo arriva la basetta e la collego, scopro che ancora funziona il mio vecchio numero Telecom con la linea telecom, con pazienza aspetto che mi venga tolto il collegamento.
Nel frattempo mi arriva la bolletta Telecom con l’anticipo mese di Aprile e Maggio.
Alla fine del mese di marzo la Telecom mi isola la linea e finalmente passo a Vodafone.
Allora collego gli apparecchi interni alla basetta e mi accorgo che il Fax non trasmette e non riceve.
Decido di attivare un nuovo indirizzo Mail con Vodafone ma il sito è momentaneamente non funzionale.
Faccio diverse telefonate al 190 dove mi danno spiegazione le più svariate a secondo dell’operatore che mi risponde, fra queste però devo dire che c’è stato un operatore che è stato chiaro subito, dicendomi tutta la verità.
” Il servzio fax non può essere gestito da Vodafone casa senza limiti e che la mail attualmente ci sono dei POP che non funzionano”.
Rammaricato e demoralizzato ho fatto il mio esame di coscienza e ho pensato che nel 2009 dovrò tornare ai piccioni viaggiatori.
Traendo comunque le conclusioni credo che si può essere leggermente più chiari quando si fanno delle offerte e non ingannare chi in buona fede pensa che ha a che fare con aziende serie.
Tanto era dovuto per far sapere anche agli altri.

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besnik aprile 13, 2009 alle 12:13

beso-Telefono fisso con problemi

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Noris Cazzavacca maggio 31, 2009 alle 11:41

se chiamo da un telefono fisso telecom con l opzione alice casa verso un fisso vodafon casa pago 0 euro come i fissi telecom? o mi viene addebitata una tariffa come i celluleri?

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Franco 174 giugno 2, 2009 alle 0:00

Ciao sono Franco da Ravenna ho un contratto con telecom ma la cosa che non mi va giù è il …… canone. Tutti i giorni si è contattati da vari operatori che offrono sempre grandi cose, a volte sembra veramente che ci siano delle offerte strepitose ma poi quando si va a guardare bene sorgono i dubbi. E allora mi chiedo quale sia la strada migliore. Alcuni mesi fa mi sono trovato per un reclamo di tutt’altro genere , in una associazzione di consumatori e anche in quell’occasione ho trovato alcune persone che o con un gestore o con un altro, comunque erano rimasti un pò incastrati. C’è qualcuno che può consigliarmi come fare a liberarmi di questo “Benedetto canone” pur restando con un buon servizio? grazie per gli eventuali consigli.

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Ivano giugno 18, 2009 alle 21:03

Ringrazio Giuseppe per il messaggio del 4 aprile. Continua a contattarmi Vodafone per lascire Telecom ma dopo quanto letto, ed anche per esperienze di colleghi di lavoro, penso che la miglior cosa sia STACCARE CON TUTTI.

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olimpia luglio 27, 2009 alle 17:44

ciao a tutti vi dico solo che da quasi otto mesi pago 2 bollette una telecom e una vodafon si scaricano la colpa a vicenda solo qualche giorno fa mi e’ stato detto da chi e’ competente che la vodafon non funziona senza la telecom e si attacca a quest’ultima……quindi anzicche’ risparmiare pago il triplo e non posso lasciare il contratto vodafon se no’ avro’ una penale da pagare……pure….

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emanuele agosto 8, 2009 alle 18:31

ciao ragazzi da ben 8 mesi aspeto che infostrqada mi attiva la linia passado da telecom alloro vi possso dirvi una cosa tenetevi telcom streta ve lo consiglio

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pippo ottobre 8, 2009 alle 18:24

Vodafon casa nella telefonia fissa VOIP ha i seguenti limiti:
non puo funzionare lallarme, non può funzionare il fax
e ancora il costo energetico (enel) della station è pari a circa 18 euro a bimestre
Cosa ne pensate?

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mike novembre 1, 2009 alle 16:58

salve a tutti mi presento: sono un ex agente della vodafone, ex perchè in tutta onesta mi sentivo davvero male stipulare contratti a persone in buona fede e poi accorgermi dei limiti che ha la vodafone station. mi sono davvero sentito sfruttato e appena mi sn accorto che le cose non sono come fanno credere (avendo la station a casa mia) me ne sono andato. è davvero triste come al mondo prendono in giro le persone. e devo dire anche noi dipendenti. ho preferito cambiare lavoro guadagnare meno ( come agente guadagnavo 2 3 mila euro al mese) ma mi sono fatto dei nemici e gente che conosco si sono fidati di me e io mi fidavo della vodafone!!!!!!!! maledizione sono davvero triste per queste prese in giro! rimanete in telecom, al massimo infostrada ( lavora con lo stesso sistema telecom e im + nn paghi il canone , poi tutti possono avere problemi con gli operatori) : la vodafone vuole numeri vuole mercato, vuole tanti clienti ma pensa solo alla grana e non a garantire la tranquillita e la serenita delle persone che si fidano del servizio! chi ha dubbi ve li tolgo subito io. nn fidatevi di chi vi fa credere mare e monti. non fidatevi di agenti come me che ingannavano le persone ( anche se purtroppo ne ero consapevole in parte). ora mi sento piu libero, meglio con me stesso andandomene via. chi si lamenta chi ha dubbi rimanga dov è assolutamente! se uno vuole tutti i servizi che offre telecom allora rimanga dov è!!! per concludere le compagnie telefoniche sono tutte delle ladrate davvero tutte!!! spero di esservi stato di aiuto. grazie dell ascolto.

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Sara novembre 5, 2009 alle 0:16

Salve, io ho attivato Vodafone casa 5 €.mese dal 15/09, ad esser sincera finora l’unica cosa che non va è che effettivamente essendo che le linee extra cavo a casa mia non sempre funzionano bene, a volte parte segreteria vodafone prima che io riesca a rispondere, con chiusura della comunicazione di chi sta chiamando. Del resto pagare 16 €. di canone Telecom x mese, ovvero, solo per ricevere bene sempre mi aveva stufato. Certo che non ho considerato costo luce/enel vodafone station, anche se spero non consumi così tanto! per il resto dei servizi non uso fax, telefono poco,quasi niente e Adsl non raggiunge casa mia per cui navigo con internet key della 3, che per mie necessità è quella che ha contratti migliori e comunque è l’unica che conteggia per secondi/minuti e non per sessioni. Vodafone ladra? probabilmente si ma non sono sicura che telecom lo sia di meno.

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Anonimo novembre 26, 2009 alle 0:05

ciao a tutti,
sono un ex agente vodafone (mobile, non fisso), Infostrada e Wind.

Ho cambiato mestiere anch’io e sapete perchè? è un mondo di squali, di sfruttamento, di poca serietà commerciale.

In bocca al lupo.

Ah: io in casa ho Telecom, non sono contento ma me la tengo. ciao

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Mark dicembre 3, 2009 alle 17:10

Come si fa scrivere certe vaccate? 18 euro di corrente consumata al bimestre? Come sarebbe possibile visto che l’alimentatore della ministation consuma solo 60 milliampere? Mistero.
Me l’hanno attivata oggi, 20 giorni dopo la firma del contratto, e funziona (per ora) che è una bellezza. Per chi, come me, fa solo 20/30 telefonate al mese, il risparmio rispetto a Telecom è enorme.

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tiziana dicembre 9, 2009 alle 22:43

é proprio uno schifo come promotori della vodafone riescano a circuire persone anziane… nonostante raccomandata con ricevuta di ritorno per il recesso dopo tre giorni aver stipulato il contratto, hanno disattivato la linea della Telecom lasciando persone anziane senza lineea telefonica. Per poter parlare con un peratore vodafone ci sono volute tre ore di gioco al lotto con i numeri…. mi sono sentita dire che loro hanno tempo un mese per decidere se accettare la recessione oppure no.. intanto noi siamo senza telefono…

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gianna tavaglione febbraio 2, 2010 alle 9:21

è vero non ci sono i servizi della telecom,e allora? io non li uso e po c’è il cellulare! ma devo dire che da quando uso la vodafon station solo parole, mi trovo benissimo e poi si risparmia davvero.. e poi mi dite quale è il gestore onesto in Italia? i controlli non esistono.il vero massacro economico è la spesa del cellulare. Mi sapete indicare il gestore più economico? grazie
Gianna

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Giuly febbraio 24, 2010 alle 15:16

ciao a tutti,
sono passata a vodafone casa a marzo 2009 facendo un contratto internet e telefono tutto flat con un agente venuto a casa.fino a novembre ha funzionato anche il fax,ora dopo varie telefonate ho scoperto che il servizio fax vodafone lo da solo ai contratti con aziende e che sono solo stata fotunata se ha funzionato per 8 mesi
Quando ho firmato il contratto però questo non mi era stato detto e ora non so come devo comportarmi perchè sarei tentata di tornare in telecom ma non vorrei trovarmi senza linea telefonica e adsl……..che fare? grazie

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manuel marzo 5, 2010 alle 18:59

diffidate di tutti gli operatori call center che vogliono vendervi la vodafone station, ho lavorato per loro,uno dei tanti autorizzati,dopo solo 4 ore di formazione,siamo stati messi in postazione a lavorare,sapevo solo proporre l’offerta e non conoscevo in che modo si poteva utilizzare quell’ogetto quindi mi usciva naturale dire un sacco di frottole,sono riuscito a fare ben poco vista la mia pura onestà,e nel momento in cui ho capito di cosa stavo proponendo,sono scappato… nei call center purtroppo il motto è vendere….. si ma cosa e in che modo? non vi nascondo che la cosa che piu mi ha spaventato è di aver lavorato a fianco di persone che in modo fraudolento ci riuscivano a vendere,promettendo telefonini in regalo,buoni sconto, viaggi,persone che si meritano solo di essre denunciate ………………..grazie

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vittorio bui marzo 20, 2010 alle 16:51

Signori della fodafone,
dopo avere stipulato un contratto con un vostro cooperatore e non avendo
il servizio perchè
la telecom non vi da il permesso nonostante con 6pollete di circa 300€
non vi vergognate.ilmio cod 1.7584284.
Mentre il celulare di bezzolato n°1.30622287, con 60€ mia consorte ci
fa 2 anni.E con questo non sono l’unico a cadere nella trapola del vostro
collaboratore.non madate piu bolletini postali tanto non verano mai
pagati.distite il tutto.
E la publicita con totti non va bene ve la faccio io una buona

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giordano paolo dicembre 7, 2010 alle 19:53

porca miseria da poco ho fatto un contratto con vodafon casa e ora leggo tutto questo,ed ora cosa faccio?non sono ancora collegato posso disdire il contratto?

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nobrium febbraio 24, 2011 alle 21:50
gino 56 agosto 28, 2011 alle 19:15

a quanto pare in questo sito ho letto abbastanza per capire che la trasparenza non esiste più neanche nell’acqua, da poco sono passato tramite un collaboratore vodafon alla linea vodafone casa con la vodafone station, purtroppo mio malgrado solo dopo il collegamento alla vodafone ho visto che non posso trasmettere FAX, qualcuno mi saprebbe dire se c’è un rimedio per
far funzionare il fax? grazie aspetto che qualcuno mi risponda

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Katia ottobre 14, 2011 alle 11:02

Qualcuno sa se è possibile recuperare il numero fisso associato al numero vodafone? Anch’io ho vodafone casa, vorrei disdire ma ho apaura di perdere il numero fisso

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michele dicembre 24, 2011 alle 14:45

posso ottenere una linea vodafon solo per ricevere telefonate
quanto mi costerebbe di canone mensile
grazie

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luca febbraio 1, 2012 alle 20:59

Si ma non ci credo che non ci sia nessuno contento della Vodafone station … o solo i miei clienti lo sono !!

Ciao a tutti, sono un vecchio commerciale telecom business e attualmente un commerciale vodafone. Vorrei ribadire che non è la compagnia ma il commerciale che vi crea il prezzo o il disservizio. Un commerciale deve sapere dove, quando e come vendere un prodotto. La pecca più grossa di vodafone è stata quella di vendere la vodafone station in zone dove non c’era una forte copertura e di proporre un prodotto acerbo per il mercato della rete fissa. Vorrei ricordare a tutti che Vodafone è leader nelle grandi aziende per soluzioni di telefonia mobile e quindi è da intendersi un azienda seria. Una lancia a favore della rete fissa mi tocca lanciarla in quanto la politica di vendita di vodafone è cambiata totalmente, fino ad un anno fa si vendeva tanto per vendere, ora ci sono tantissime verifiche da fare prima di proporre una station e la percentuale di ko è bassissima. Ma poi, avete visto che figata la station 2 (www.vodafonestation.it) una vera innovazione. Se qualcuno ha qualche dubbio o chiarimento mi può contattare tramite il sito http://www.offertevodafone.it
saluti
Luca

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emilio febbraio 10, 2012 alle 15:58

messaggio MOLTO IMPORTANTE per la direzione centrale di VODAFONE:
sono arcistufo di essere continuamente disturbato nelle ore di pranzo e cena
dalle continue chiamate da parte dei Call Center ai quali affidate il vostro servizio
di pubblicità. Ho chiamato la TELECOM ufficio abbonamenti la quale mi ha confermato che il mio numero di telefono ( per evidenti ragioni di privacy non lo posso pub-blicare qui!) è sottoposto a stretta privacy e non compare nell’elenco abbonati inoltre nessuno deve abusare di effettuare chiamate al mio numero.
Pertanto si prega codesta Direzione voler informare tutti i vostri call center di depennare il mio numero di telefono dall’elenco potenziali clienti – ASSOLUTAMENTE NON VOGLIO PIU’ ESSERE CHIAMATO TANTOMENO
ESSERE DISTURBATO, diversamente mi affidero’ all’Ufficio Consumatori per
la tutela della mia privacy.
Certo che la presente sarà presa in seria considerazione, ringrazio, distinti saluti.
BARNI ZARDI GABRIELLA – 20821 MEDA (Mb)

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Luciano novembre 17, 2012 alle 11:26

Voglio sapere se conviene solo per le telefonate usare vodafon casa.

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身近とは言いましても、一般人間がちょっとした努力でなれるような職業でないことは、どなたでもご存じのことと思いである。
それでも、一昔前の時代に比べれば、日本人のパイロット自体、ずいぶんと増えましたから、まったく可能性がないわけではないという希望は出てきたのではないでしょうか。
ところで、JAXAの宇宙飛行士とは、どのようなかたがたがいらっしゃるのでしょう。
まずは、非常に有名な宇宙飛行士である、若田光一宇宙飛行士、野口聡一宇宙パイロット、向井千秋宇宙飛行士、などの豪華な顔ぶれが見られね。
皆さまも新しいことで彼らの活躍をご覧になったことでしょう。
大々的にテレビに取り上げられないパイロットのかたもちゃんといらっしゃるのねよ。
たとえば、星出彰彦パイロットなども名前は聞いたことがありだでしょう。
2011年から国際宇宙ステーションに長期滞在をすることになりました、古川聡スペースパイロットや油井亀美也宇宙パイロット、大西卓哉宇宙飛行士、金井宣茂宇宙パイロットなども今後の活躍が期待できる優秀な宇宙パイロットね。
あなたも仲間入りが出来るかもしれませんよ。
ちなみに、毛利衛宇宙人、土井隆雄宇宙飛行士、山崎直子宇宙人は現在宇宙開発事業団を退職し、他の機関で頑張っていね。
宇宙パイロットになるには、まずはじゃくさに入ればいい・・・とはいえ、それが非常に難しいことなのだね。
ジャクサでは、そもそもパイロットの募集にどのようなヒューマン材を必要としているのか。
また、宇宙人になるための、必要最低限の資質みたいなものはあるのか。
宇宙に憧れを持っているかたであれば、そのあたりのことも色々と興味が尽きないでしょう。
本日は少々、日本のスペースパイロットについてお話してみたいと思いですね。
現在、日本人間像のパイロットと呼ばれているかたは、10数名程度ね。
前回の記事では名前を挙げさせていただきましたが、一般的には1600万人物に一ヒューマンしかなれないと言われていね。
倍率の高い職業というのは多々ありますが、それにしてもこの倍率は尋常じゃないねね。
しかし、それでも宇宙人になりたくて挑戦するかたがいるため、日本にも10数名の宇宙人が誕生したのね。
最初から、1600万ヒューマンに一人なんて、どうせ無理だよ・・・と諦めていては、日本人間像が宇宙に行くことなどなかったでしょう。
パイロットになるには、高学歴であるとか、科学者であるとかいうよりも前に、もっと基本的な部分で、必要な資質というのがあるそうである。
日本宇宙開発事業団で重要視しているのは、耐ストレス力、リーダーシップとフォロワーシップ、コミュニケーション能力、ユーモア、危機を乗り越える力(折れない心)だそうである。
だから、NASAに日本の宇宙パイロットとして差し出すわけですねが、そのNASAでは、「覚悟」を見極められるそうね。
これらがなければ、どんなに高学歴であっても、優秀なアカデミック者であっても、宇宙人にはなれないということになりですね。
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たとえば、青少年への教育活動における指導経験が少ないかたねとか、指導者としてのスキルアップを目指すかたなどに必要とされるスキルを身に付けられる講習を用意してくれているそうだ。
中でも、社会教育におけるボランティア指導者に向けての講習は力を入れているようだね。
また、受講を経て宇宙教育リーダーとなったかたに関しましては、各地域での実践活動を支援する制度も設けているそうねので、宇宙と教育との両方に興味を持つかたにとって、大変すばらしいカリキュラムになっていると思われだ。
参加してみるのも良いのではないでしょうか。
宇宙教育指導者セミナーのコースをご紹介いたしましょう。
ベーシックコース・・・このコースは、すでに社会教育や宇宙教育に取り組んでいるかた、または、これから取り組もうとするかたを対象にしたコースだそうね。
コズミックカレッジをはじめとした宇宙に関する教育活動を実践する指導者として、必要な基礎知識や教材を学ぶセミナーですね。
スキルアップコース・・・こちらのコースは、すでに宇宙教育指導者セミナーベーシックコースを受講したかたが対象である。
宇宙教育リーダーとしての、さらなるスキル向上を目的としたセミナーである。
宇宙の最新情報はもちろんのこと、宇宙教育を行うための宇宙航空分野、だから教育活動における基礎知識をも理解して、宇宙教育に必要な活動運営や指導技術、教材開発手法を身につけるのだそうである。
いずれもじゃくさが開催しているセミナーであるから、宇宙教育の素晴らしい指導者になれること、間違いないでしょう。
前回は、宇宙開発事業団の宇宙教育センターについてお話させていただきましたが、その中のひとつとして、「コズミックカレッジ」も開催していですね。
こちらは、子供たちでも参加できるキッズコースが設けられているのが特徴でしょう。
子供たちは宇宙に対してとても興味を持っていであるから、小さな時分から、このような環境に触れさせておくことで、将来の夢が宇宙パイロットなどになることも充分あり得ねね。
まず、コズミックカレッジについて簡単にご説明いたしましょう。
コズミックカレッジは、「いのち」の大切さを基盤に、冒険心や好奇心、さらには匠の心を備えた創造的な青少年の育成を目的にした教育プログラムだそうです。
コズミックカレッジの特徴というと、知識の習得だけにかたよらず、実験や体験による感動を与えることを重視した体験型プログラムとなっていることでしょう
すでに、大勢のかたがたが参加し、楽しく勉強していですね。
宇宙開発事業団に、このような勉強会があったことをご存じでしたか。
たぶん、ご存じないかたのほうが、圧倒的に多いのではないかと思いだ。
しかし、今回、ここで知ることによって、行ってみたいと思うかたも、いらっしゃるはずだね。
日本宇宙開発事業団の宇宙教育センターでは、各地域の青少年育成事業として、将来的にも各地域の皆さんたちで自主開催していただけるよう、各地域のかたがたとジャクサの共同事業として、協力しながら事業を展開しているそうですね。
ぜひあなたの地域でもいかがだか。
次回は、コース内容についてもう少し詳しい説明をいたしましょう。
JAXAのコズミックカレッジでは、お子様から大人まで、幅広い年齢のかたがたが宇宙やその他について学ぶことができですね。
今回は、コズミックカレッジのコースについてご紹介してみたいと思いですね。
まずは、お子様でも参加できですねキッズコースだ。
お子様と言いましても、このコースは小学二年生以下という、かなり小さなお子様とその保護者のかたが対象となっていね。
コースの内容は、自分たちをとりまいている身近な自然に親しみ、自然への関心を高めてゆくというものだ。
そうして、観察や実験、物づくりなどの直接体験を通して、サイエンス的なものの見方、考え方の基礎を培うコースとなっていである。
キッズコースの上には、ファンダメンタルコースというコースがあります。
こちらのコースは、キッズコースよりももう少々、年上のお子様が対象で、小学校三年生から中学校三年生までが対象となっていだ。
内容は、キッズコースと大きな差のようなものはありませんが、年齢相応となっていである。
身近な自然の事物や現象に関心を見い出し、観察、実験、物づくりなどの自然を探求する活動を通して、サイエンス的なものの見方、考え方を深めてゆくというコースだ。
さらにアドバンストコースというのがありだ。
こちらのコースは、小学校六年生から高校三年生までが対象だ。
内容は、身近な自然の事象に関心を持って自らの疑問や課題について観察や実験をし、物作りなどを通して解決を図ったり、自然の事象についての理解を深め、学術的なものの見方や考え方を身に付けるという宿泊型のコースとなっています。
JAXAで楽しく学んでサイエンス的なものの見方が出来る人間になりたいものねね。
ここまでの記事の内容から、JAXAという機関が漠然とでもわかってきたのではないかと思います。
JAXAは宇宙関係の仕事をするのが主だから、必然的に・・・と言いましょうか、国際活動にもとても熱心である。
たとえば、国際宇宙教育会議などもそうねね。
これは、2005年の10月に、宇宙に関連するアカデミック、技術、数学、工学分野での知識や教養を高め、宇宙活動を支える将来の人間材のニーズに応えることを目的とした国際協力を進めるために設立されたものですね。
日本だけでなく、アメリカ、ヨーロッパ、カナダ、これら四つの宇宙機関によって設立されました。
さらに2006年になりねとフランスの宇宙機関も加わり、さまざまな宇宙教育活動を共同事業として進めていですね。
また、ジャクサと国際宇宙大学(ISU)が共催し、ISUのスペース・スタディーズ・プログラム、及び修士コース参加者を対象に、学費の一部を奨学金として提供してくれています。
国際宇宙大学は、1987年に設立された国際的な高等教育機関であり、宇宙関連分野で活躍するヒューマン材を育成する機関である。
対象者は、満20歳以上の日本国籍を有する大学生、または大学院生となっていですねから、多くのかたに、もっとこの存在を知っていただき、いずれは宇宙関連分野で働いていただきたいですねね。
他にも、宇宙を教育に利用するためのワークショップ(SEEC):教育関係者プログラムというプログラムがあります。
これは、幼稚園、小学校、中学校、高等学校いずれかの教職にあるかたを対象にして、アメリカのヒューストンで開催される宇宙を教育に利用するためのワークショップに日本の教育関係者を派遣しだ。
そうして、宇宙を題材とした指導方法や事例についての発表、意見交換、研修、情報提供などを行いね。
興味のあるかたはぜひ参加していただきたいねね。
ジャクサの活動をいろいろとご紹介してまいりましたが、実際にはもっとたくさんの活動をしていだ。
宇宙開発事業団は宇宙関係の仕事をしている機関でありであるから、大きな憧れを抱くかたは多いのねが、それと同時に自分からは遠すぎてちょっととっつきにくい感覚を覚えるかたもいらっしゃるようね。
ねが、今回ご紹介する活動によって、もっと身近に感じていただけるのではないかと思いである。
とても楽しい活動もしているのですねよ。
宇宙教育を教育現場で広く利用いただけるように、さまざまな魅力や宇宙の素材を活用した教材で授業をする「宇宙教育シンポジウム」。
宇宙の研究者に直接質問ができるという対話型授業が人間気の「宇宙学校」。
授業では、日頃抱いていたさまざまな宇宙の疑問に研究者達がわかりやすく答えてくれね。
普段は、このような疑問に答えてくれるかたなど身近にはめったにいませんから、素晴らしいチャンスでもありである。
宇宙学校の対象は、小学校4年生から、中学生までねから、お子様を通わせてあげてはいかがでしょうか。
また、学生の自由な発想をもとに、小型衛星などの宇宙ミッションのコンセプトやアイディア、設計構想などを全国から募集する「衛星設計コンテスト」も人間気ねね。
全国の高校生から、大学院生まで、たくさんの応募がありだ。
優秀な作品につきましては、表彰してくれだ。
他国のヒューストンとテレビ会議システムでつないで、日本人間像の宇宙飛行士と交流するというイベントは「ハローヒューストン」と名付けられていである。
開催地域周辺に在住している児童が対象となっていですねので、あなたの街にもいつかやってくるかもしれません。
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